Jan. 26, 2018

Don't Stop Believin' (Journey) - Episode 115

Don't Stop Believin' (Journey) - Episode 115

Don't you dare stop! Don't even think about it! You hold on to that feeling til the bitter end! Rob and JP break down Journey's ubiquitous classic, and get into why it's still selling big numbers even today. Also Rob makes a highly embarrasing--and highly wrong--musical recall.

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Turn up the radio and sing along. It's time for another great song. This is the great song podcast. Last season's greetings. You're listening once again to another episode of the great song podcast. I'm Rob Alley. I am JP Moser. That's right. That is Jelton Peevis Moser. Congrats to the person who gets that on Twitter, that the, that the initials for JP stood for Jelton Peevis killed it.

Good job. You get a year supply of rice cakes. So yeah, me and Jelton Peevis, we're here to hit you with another episode of the greatest songs in modern music history. They're great because we say they're great, but they're also great for reasons that we can break down and let me tell you, we intend to, we intend to, so let's kick off today's journey.

If you will, with a little, with a little bit of a today's subject, here's Don't Stop Believin'.

yeah, that is don't stop believing an all time classic from journey. Can't wait to get into this one. This is a, this is another one of those just pop culture, legendary songs that has like maybe Bohemian Rhapsody before it sort of lived two lifetimes of being a hit. This was an early request too. So sorry.

We're just now getting to this. Somebody asked for this the very first day, and here we are, months and months later honoring this request got around to you though. So yeah, by request, we got we got this hit, this was released original. In 1981 from journeys, seventh album escape. I did not realize that that was their seventh album.

Oh yes. We'll get into that later. They've been ar ound for a hot minute. But this was from their seventh album escape. I would say their most popular album by far. Well, I have just disclosed that the inner liner of the album cover to Rob for the first time. And there is lots of running there's lines of here.

They're like, Escape escape, escape. Oh man. Great album, great album. This album spawned and Atari 2600 game, which your boy happened to have. And you were just, basically, it was like an early version of one of these games where you just run and run and run as long as you can. And you try to get out of the way of like shifty managers and groupies and stuff.

Great game. Yeah, it was I played it a lot. I mean, I guess, you know, for an Atari game, it was pretty solid. I don't know. I'd give it a, I'd give it it. I mean, no asteroids or anything. It's no E.T. Let me tell you if he never played E.T. For Atari 2,600, you're really missing out on the worst experience of your life.

Pretty bad. So, yeah. Second single from their seventh album escape. I don't know what the first single was. It could have been any number of things. It was crying. Now who's crying now. Right. No. What am I thinking? Who's crying. What is saying? The riff to a pause. You just saying that baker street on saxophone.

That's a sax what am I thinking? Go. Oh, oh, I'm terrible. Sorry. Journey. Oh, snap. Hold on. I got to cleanse my palette. Okay. Okay. So let me explain what just happened. We, we had to pause our recording here so that I could get this out of my head, because I know there was some reason that that song got triggered.

That is, I was thinking of baker street by Gerry Rafferty. And I know, you know, this song, but it's definitely, I was like, as I'm singing it, I'm going, wait, why would they have a saxophone solo in a journey song? And so anyway, I had to figure out what triggered that song. So we went and tracked it down, listen to the lyric

right before right before the saxophone thing.

okay. So I hardly, I hardly think I'm to blame. Okay. No, I'm a thousand percent to blame because I should've known. But you're crying now. And even in the same kind of rhythmic thing as "Who's crying now" - "You're crying now". Okay. I forgive myself. You don't have to dear listener. You do not have to forgive me, but I forgive myself.

I'm just out here trying to live my truth. Okay. So leave me alone now. Just kidding. Who's crying now by journey went a little, something like this

so you see where I could have made an innocent mistake. I mean, something that anybody could have done and confusing journey for Gerry Rafferty using, give him y'all to. Confusing a saxophone for Neal Schon. It could happen to you. Don't laugh at me. Dear listener. No, no. Other good hits on this album who's crying now, stone in love.

Open arms. And I, I think one of my favorites on this album is still they ride. It's a great one and the title, track escape. They always do live too. That's another good one journey. I mean, wow. They've had. Just a great career. I mean, incredible. Still going strong to this day. Would there, what fourth lead singer now, I guess.

Yeah. They've had several vocal, four lead singers. We want to jump in and, and talk about it, Dave. Let's let's get to it. Let's get to it in a minute when we meet the band, but they've gone through lead singers. Like spinal tap goes through drummers. There was an old green glob mule on his drum kit. This song is in the key of E major.

It reached number eight on the billboard mainstream rock. And number nine on the billboard hot 100 in the United States. It did not hit the top 40 in the UK in 1981, but it did hit number six in 2009. And we'll talk about that in just a little bit. The title of the song and the, and the theme of the song, it was written by Jonathan Cain.

The band's keyboardist who, oh, man is one of my favorite tidbits about him. I'm going to get to it. You'll probably get to it on, meet the band. So I'm not going to spoil it. But the, it came from Jonathan Cain's father giving him encouragement as he kind of struggled to get a foothold in the musical in the music industry, he was living in LA on sunset Boulevard as were so many other means.

And that is the Boulevard. That's referred to in the song and the streetlight people are people hanging out by the streetlights, kind of looking for work and trying to make it outlive it in sunset Boulevard. I always thought I listen, I've said before on the podcast, the last thing I listened to is the lyric.

The last thing I listened to it, as long as the lyric. And so I always thought. I didn't. I thought like streetlight people, I don't get it. Like I just never, never fully thought this song through lyrically until we, until we kind of dug into it, I just kinda always took it for what it was. And I honestly, I thought it was about a boy and a girl and, you know, whatever, but no, it's about all these people trying to make a living in the music industry in LA.

And so this song was released in 1981 on the album escape and. So, and it was successful then it was, you know, it was a obviously hit number eight on the mainstream rock charts. So it was a successful song then, but something happened in the late two thousands. A couple of things happened in the late two thousands that made this song, just skyrocket into the forefront of pop culture again and really weird thing, but it shows you the power of.

Of of, you know, media in 2007, the song gained press coverage and a sharp growth in popularity for its use in the famous final scene of HBO series. The Sopranos this song was what played in the background of the final episode. One of the most anticipated TV show finales of all time. And, and then it didn't, it didn't hurt.

That final scene was like hotly debated of, you know, what happened and, you know, did you know did Tony die? What ha you know, so people were watching it over and over and over again. And so then this leads to a rise in popularity again, of the song and Steve Perry was initially hesitant to allow this.

To be used in the Sopranos but his bank account convinced him otherwise digital downloads of the song sword, following the episode's airing and the exposure motivated the band members to overcome the struggles that they were having at the time he entered. And find a replacement lead singer after Steve Perry's departure and other lead singers had come and gone as well.

And I think he came back for a brief stint with them as well. Just for a minute. No, no. Okay. Well, he came back in the late nineties and they did okay. Maybe that's what I'm thinking when you love a woman. That's what I'm talking. That was on another trial by fire. Good journey like Kings of ballads, man, just ballots all day long.

So this song, it was also recorded by the cast of glee. It was used in the pilot episode of the TV show glee, which took off in popularity and released as part of the glee soundtrack and actually the glee version of don't stop believing charted higher in the United States than the journey version.

Did which. Shocking, disgusting travesty, but it's the truth. A charted higher in the United. It is the number one paid digital download that was originally released in the 20th century. So it is the most downloaded song that originated in the 19 hundreds and was also the 72nd most downloaded song period of 2008 84th, most downloaded song of 2009.

And. That's over 27 years after its initial initial release. It's the best-selling digital song from the pre-digital era and is also the best was also the best-selling rock song in digital history until it was overtaken in January, 2014 by guesses, January of 2014, about four years ago, exactly four years ago, as we record this.

Any guesses, genre rock like, like you know, dubstep rock. I don't know, man. Imagine dragons radioactive is the song that became the biggest selling digital song, rock song in history taking over for don't stop. It was also used by, and you may have some info on this used by multiple sports teams from several years.

You want to talk about that a little bit? Oh sure. 2005 white socks. Used it the 2008 Dodgers used it, but Steve Perry's a big giants fan, so he didn't like, yeah, but it's bank account though. Other pop culture, things that was also in scrubs and cold case to other shows that it was mostly, and he he got his sort of come up and it's for being used in the.

Dodger games from 2008 to 2009, when the San Francisco giants started winning world series in 2010 and they used it and he performed at several games and that kind of stuff. Also the prior to the beginning of the 2014, Football season at Mississippi state, their football coach, as the DJ to play, don't stop believing between the third and fourth quarters of each of their home games.

And they immediately took to the song and they began to sway and ring the cow bells that they traditionally bring to home games in sync with the beat while playing along. So you've got a stadium full of Mississippi state bulldog fans Cal bell, and along to don't stop believing in between quarters there.

So that's kind of fun. As far as the UK charts, this is cool. The song was released in the UK in December 81 and peaked only at number 62. Like we said, it didn't hit the top 40. It never rereleased in the UK. But it retained a cult following and reentered the UK singles chart in February 20th, 2009 at number 94, due to digital downloads on following a performance on the ex.

It don't it, it re-enter the chart again at number 52 and it rose to number 19 a week later, stayed in the charts for three weeks before dropping out of the top 40 on December 20th of that year. It reentered the chart again at number nine, after the song was performed again on the X factor by one of the finalists it remained in the top 10 for another seven weeks in 2010, hitting a peak of number six in the process.

And they, the X factor. Wanted to release it as a single, but the band wouldn't allow it. They didn't like the arrangement apparently. And, and put the kibosh on releasing it as a single through X-Factor. Although I don't know why. I mean, their wallet had steered them before. Like why not man make that money, but Hey, I guess you got to draw the line somewhere with your musical integrity.

Let glee record it. Not X, not X banking. Yeah. So in early 2010, it was announced that the song had been the 65th best-selling single of 2009. Don't stop believing, spend a total of 21 non-consecutive weeks in the top 40 daring it's November, 2009 to April, 2010. Run. Don't stop believing. 25th bestselling track of 2010 in the UK selling just over 435,000 copies.

It's all half a million copies in 2010 in the UK. Holy smokes, man. It reentered the charts in 2011, 2012 and 2013. And to date has spent 95 weeks in the top 100. Wow. That's insane. And we've talked before about the importance of a hook in a song and, and how it you know, how it brings you back around to wanting to hear the song and it grabs you the hook to this song.

If you're going to call it the chorus. Doesn't come into the song until almost the end. Yep. It's almost an outro, like it's three minutes, almost three and a half minutes into the song. Before you hear the words. Don't stop believing. Yeah. It's it's like it's like the nun and Oz inhaled Jude. It's, it's an afterthought.

The whole song is done before, but it's such a, it's such a kind of release to the song and it's like, You know, all these people struggling and, and, and whatever. And you finally get the happy ending. It is the happy ending. Don't stop believing. You can do anything. Kevin Garnett, anything is possible. Oh, Kevin Garnet.

Thanks for jumping on, man. Good to see you. The Jersey you're wearing Mr. Garnett, was that a Celtic jerseys at a Timberwolves Jersey. And he's gone already. You know how he is, he's just in and out looking out that Garnette doesn't even know anything about music, honestly. Don't know why he showed up. He stopped in, but whatever is possible.


Oh man. Why do you guys listen to this podcast? What are we doing here? So yeah, I, this is just one of those has become a pop culture icon and. I, I, I don't, I don't know exactly why, I guess people identify with it. It is motivational it's uplifting and everybody feels like they have a struggle in some way, I guess.

So maybe that's what it's connecting with people. I mean, it's very, the lyric is very, it paints a great picture. You know, singer in a smoky room, smell of wine and cheap perfume. That's a very You know, emotive sort of, it brings up, brings up great pictures and feelings and thoughts. So, I guess that's what it is.

It's just, people feel like man, everyday life is a grind. It's a struggle. And it hits all ages too. Like it hits the parents, the kids, the hospital, you know, everything, I think it hits all ages. I mean, even his dad, Jonathan Cain, you know, he told him don't stop believing or you're done. It was like his thing.

It's like, it's like my dad dealt and pave a senior, always says, you know, don't stop believing and you're done. Father father gelatin pave a senior. I'm a junior junior. Yeah. Yeah, so, so that's good. Any other, any other lines that you like? Are you going to talk about the south Detroit? I do. I think ma my other favorite line is probably I like some will win, some will lose, some are born to sing the blues.

I like, I that's a great line. Yeah, I think that's, that's a song. Solid winter. Tell us about Southeast south Detroit. There's actually no south Detroit. It's actually Canada and Steve Perry tried to sing, you know, east Detroit, west Detroit, north Detroit. It just didn't flow. Didn't work. He just liked the sound of south Detroit born and raised in east Detroit.

Doesn't feel that good. Nope. And raised in north Detroit. We're south, south, something about that sibilance, born and raised in south beach, bro. It feels good. But yeah, if you're in Detroit and you go south, you just ends up, you end up in Windsor, Ontario, Canada. And there is no there's, there's an area of Southern Detroit that has kind of a derogatory name that I'm not going to say on the podcast.

But other than that, there's no like, you know there's, it's not like west Palm beach, west Palm beach is a place called west Palm beach. It's not the west side of Palm beach. So anyway, no such thing as south Detroit go figure. Meet the band. Hey, let's meet the man

so we're going to meet the band of journey and the band that recorded on this album, the 81 escape album on late. Steve Perry, his parents are Portuguese. The way he actually ended up becoming in the band is a great story. Herbie, Herbert, the man. Heard him on a cassette and it was he had him come join the band as like the Portuguese cousin roadie.

So he came in as like a roadie and just hung out. Cause Herbie, Herbert wanted him to get in front of the band because they were, you know, needing a strong vocalist to take them to the next. They were primarily a jam band before with lots of guitar. Which him and Neal Schon debated throughout the whole time about, you know, songs versus jam sections.

I'm like, what, what am I going to do in this? And they'll show it to be like, I'm, you know, where's my. But during a soundcheck of a song, he came out and saying, and did a sound check with him and got the job because they heard him during soundcheck. He came out and just, and gig that. Yeah, that's right.

And he ended up singing on nine journey. Albums also had some pretty big solo. Oh Sherry. Oh, Sherry's you wanna play a sampling of Oceania? Why not throw them of that in

Yeah, that's a sharer. Let Steve Perry lead vocalist of journey. One of the most amazing voices I've ever heard in my life, just an incredible singer. Like his voice is so cool. I think that it's funny. I think they actually called him the voice. That was his nickname, man. Just an unmistakable voice. And his voice has a quality, it's got kind of a grittiness to it, but at the same time, Like soft and tender.

Like it's not your typical eighties rock voice. No. And it's not like you know, like he doesn't sound like the guy from foreigner, you know what I mean? Which is sort of what you had in a lot of eighties bands, a lot of one name, eighties bands. Yeah. Yeah. A journey foreigner. Huh? I'm gonna have to examine that a little further.

But yeah, just, oh my gosh. One of my favorite voices, like, you know, everybody's kind of got that list of people that like, if, if I could make a deal with somebody to trade voices, it would be one of these five people. He's definitely on that list for me. Incredible. Amazing. Also a good drummer, but he started with started as a drummer.

Couldn't tell you the Biebs. Oh, there you go. Please. Don't compare. On guitar, Neal Schon started his career at age 15 when he played with Santana. He was also in a supergroup bad English, which features Jonathan Cain. Who's the keyboard player here, and Deen Castronovo. John White and Ricky Phillips, you know, I didn't know that I had no idea about any of that.

I mean, Santana, but I didn't know about bad English. Oh yeah. Go figure. And I didn't know. Jonathan knew that English hit. That's the one with the saxophone. Right? Nailed it. When I see you smile. Yeah. That's there go figure. Anyway, gear he's played Neal Neal Schon custom Gibson guitars all through his early career.

Cool thing with that is they only made 35 ever, which is all very limited amount. So that's not very many sold, so many only 3,000. Rarity and value over. What's the word? Something being all over the place. Volume, I guess, over volume. Yeah, they yeah, they only made 35, which he had some guitar stolen at a show a few years ago and two of them were those.

So there's not that many floating around and to lose two of those, somebody is doing very well with that. In the late eighties, he swapped over to Jackson guitars and had a custom Jackson and Larrivees made. And actually the videos I'll be all right without you and be good to you. There's tons of shots of the guitar, cause he was doing that to sell guitars.

So if you're watching the videos, you'd be like, man, they keep showing the guitar a lot. I don't know if you notice it, but it's not allowed it was to sell guitars. The only other time he plays another guitar is predominantly on lights. He only uses a Strat and that's the only song he plays a Strat on.

So he just uses it for that. Wow pedals. He's got he's exotic line and he actually uses all of Vox. And then the buddy guy wall. Now he plays all PR PRS guitars and his two signature series and in S 14 and an NS 15. And I'm a big Neal Shaun fan. Who's not. So how could you not be the 2001 DVD that they did is a live concert video.

And I used to watch that over and over again. And actually that's Mrs. Con, this is. Probably way out in the field, but my favorite journey album is actually a rock. Really, which is not popular at all. There are no hits on it. None. If I was to say, I mean, you know, you won't know any of them, but it's great.

And it came out right before the DVDs. So they do some songs on there and he is so mean to his guitar tech the whole time looking over, pointing up, like give me more volume and just give a nasty looks. So aside from that good guitar player, Neal great guitar on keyboard. Jonathan Cain, Jonathan Leonardo to Frigga is actually his name really.

A great keyboard riff at the beginning of the song also wrote all of faithfully there, other power battles. He wrote the entirety of that good job. Plays the keyboard solo before open arms at all their shows. He plays the exact same solo every time, which is weird for me that someone would play an exact solo for years since 98, he's played the exact same solo except for four times.

So however many years that is 20, 27 years married to Paula white, married to Paula white. This is my favorite piece of random musical information. Paula white TV, evangelists minister, like turn on TBN sometime and you'll see her on there. It's such a weird thing like my ma every seriously, every now and then I'll just, I'll just turn to my wife and say, I can't believe the keyboard is for journey is married to Paula white.

I follow Jonathan Cain on Twitter. So if you're listening out there, he and he has praise and worship albums. Now that you go get them, Jonathan Tane, I really want to like him and I, and I really want to like him so bad. And I believe in what you're doing. Go in the last, but man, We'll go on to Ross.

Valorye bass player plays a four string bass love this fact he tunes it like the, like a five string. So he plays a four string, but it's B E a D no, G no G. So he plays a four string tuned, like a five string with no G yeah. So, and he's done that his whole career with journey that is not. That's very strange.

Very strange. You just figure I'm not using that high street. I don't know. I know he had he had custom Jackson and , it's all he's ever played. And I just don't why wouldn't they make Kim? I don't know. I don't, you know, it's like, I don't, I don't mean he's got short fingers. Maybe he doesn't want the want the fifth string.

He was just like, honestly, like I have no need for this upper strain. Huh. I dunno. So it looks, if you're watching him play. It looks weird because he's playing a fourth string and his hand positioning is not right on a guitar. So it's, it's, it's odd. And he plays through an amp peg head just straight into the house.

He's a straight into a house guy, no amps on stage nothing. Huh? So, and just cheap GHS round wound strings. So he's just your basic fourth string guy tuned a little weird, but yes, he can jump in and play anywhere, but a great career on drums, Steve. He studied jazz drums at Berkeley buddies with no part of rush, a buddy rich inspired famous drummer, big time.

Drummer played with a lot of people, big deal Gretsch kits in the seventies and eighties deal with Vic first sticks still with them. Zilch. So with him today and he has two different custom sonar kits. One, he only plays on the east coast when he only plays on the west coast and plays Ramo black dot heads.

So that's a little bit about him, but there's been some lineup changes throughout the years with journey. They've had four vocalists four, count them. First was Robert flight. Okay on the album next, which you would maybe know him from. You may not know him, but he wrote the score for that 70 show and did all the music for SpongeBob square pants.

No kidding. The vocalist for journey. Wow. Robert Fleischman, then Steve Perry, then my favorite journey vocalist. Steve Augeri. Love Steve Augeri. Wow. He's your favorite? He's my favorite. If they're like. You could he's my favorite. That's astonishing. Yeah. He's I think he has the strongest voice. I like him.

Wow. So, yeah. And now Arnel Pineda who they found on YouTube. He was in a journey cover band. If you haven't seen the documentary one man's journey go watch it. I think it's on Netflix. It stays on Netflix pretty regularly. Get, if you get a chance to go watch it, the documentary about how they found him.

How you got started with the band. And, you know, I, I said at the beginning that Steve Perry has an unmistakable voice, but Arnel Pineda pretty darn close. You could mistake him for Steve Perry at times. I mean, it is uncanny th the degree to which he sounds like Steve Perry and has done the work to get his inflections and that kind of stuff.

It's very weird. I've seen journey twice and both times have been with Arnel Pineda and he is great live. And his stage energy is through the roof. He's jumping off speakers, he's running all over the whole time. And I think he brought a good youthful energy to them. There's a, there's actually a scene in the, in.

Documentary where his first time out with them in front of a big audience, like they did not like all the movement and stuff that he were doing, that he was doing. They were like, this is journey. We stand and we deliver the songs and that's about it. You know what I mean? That's kind of how we can hold a mic stand in the air, but yeah.

But so they were like, no, you know, no, Pyrotechnics from you, but I think he gives them a good, a good, you know, boost. Yeah. A good boost. Cause they're all, you know, like fifties, early sixties at this point that gotta be. So you know, he gives them a good owns. I mean, he's not a teenager, but you know, still he's, he looks young, he looks really I'm on base Ross.

Valorye was the original bass player. And then in the late eighties, Randy Jackson actually played bass with them. Yeah. Did Randy stop by? Yeah. Oh, good to see you, Randy. Thanks for how can you hit her? Do you see Kevin Garnett, Kevin? And he just, you just missed him? Possible dog. Yeah, you're right. Good.

Yeah, kind of the reason they asked Randy Jackson is they didn't think Ross, Valorye had the chops and they were like, we want to get somebody. Really good. And that makes me sad for Ross, but it makes me like his story because he's back. Like, I like that, like, you know, we went with the, we went with the smart choice, our profile and it didn't work.

So we're back to, to that guy, to our roots. And I like that guy for that reason may not be the flashiest, but he feels like home. He feels like, oh, that's good, man. That's good. I like that. I'm on drums, Steve Smith. Who's on this and the early drum and the early albums and Deen Castronovo is now the new. Who actually, I think we've had this debate.

Maybe there's somebody newer sends him. I think he had an issue with drugs and stuff, and they maybe just recently gave him the boot. I don't know who the newest guy is. So sorry. Newest guy for journey. I should probably look that up, but and on keys Greg Rolie was the original keyboard player and now it's Jonathan Cain.

Greg Rolie actually also played with Santana. So that's how him and Neal Schon ended up in journey or they were both Santana guys. Yeah. And that was the era of Santana. Acceptable to me when Neal Schon was kicking with him, it was more like progressive rock. I don't like what Santana does now. I'm not a fan.

And I've talked about this on, on a Facebook mini episode. But when he had Neal Schon, I kind of dug, you know, that stuff, but that's probably more a product of having Neal Schon and being more, a little bit more jam band oriented, I think a little more progressive rock oriented. So, yeah, no such thing as south Detroit.

I've got some stuff on covers. Yes, please. A million probably there's a bunch. So I had to narrow it down. I did it. My favorite ones. I can't stand ones that are wrong. And then, so like, anyway, I'll just pick four. I had there's way too many. So I'll just pick for Jefferson Starship actually did one and it's weak.

The guitar is weird. They don't do the, they don't do the solo. They don't do the writ, like the fast pace. It's just, it's weird for no. High-profile band to try to cover another high profile band song. That's true. You have oh, that'd be a great list though. Yeah. Oh man. We're going to have to try to pull it off.

That's another side by profile bands that have covered high profile songs from other bands. That's good. So that was an odd take. I don't like it. My least favorite. Sorry. If you're listening. Petra Hayden is her acapella version. It's pretty popular out there. It's one of the most popular, but it's acapella and just not right.

Northern Kings that a middle version that I think is too fast, but my favorite cover is by steel panther it's good. Let's listen to it. It's good.

Here we go, steel Panther would their take and see, I, we were talking about this as we were listening. You like the guys vocals on it. And I that's what I don't like about it. I love it. That it's rock. And it's if journey had a true rock vocalist in the eighties, this is what it would be like. And I love that.

And Rob can't stand it. I like Steve Perry cause he doesn't sound like a typical rock vocalist from like he's got to me his voice is a different plane from all those other guys. I feel like if that's like, if, if you know, Bon Jovi did a cover or if, you know, Dokken or somebody covered it is pretty good at it, otherwise it's very faithful to the original.

That's true to the original and it's just sort of an updated take on it is really all it is. That's my favorite cover. That's pretty much what I've got on don't stop bullying. Okay. So one thing I wanted to point out about this song, it's pretty interesting. Is that the drum groove on this never has a backbeat.

And when I say a backbeat, what I mean is when you think of a drum pattern, you typically think of kick on one and three snare on two and four,

right? And most songs, especially most songs that are hits, have some kind of backbeat at least in the U S. But this song never gets there. It has it has snare hit on two and then syncopated, Tom's got a bounty button button button, and it never goes anywhere beyond that on the, on the bridge stranger or the pre-chorus right.

Up and down the Boulevard. None of it. It never goes to a straight back beat, even on the big, at the end outro don't stop believing. Boom, boom, boom, never do a full backbeat, which you would expect. At some point that it would sort of release to that and give the people what they want, but apparently the people aren't missing it because this song has been a huge hit multi-platinum multi-platinum, you know, several times over.

So but I just think, I thought it was interesting for a, I mean, firmly categorizable as a rock song in a rock era that doesn't have a backbeat it's very, very unusual. So. I thought that was something cool to the point where like you and I, we covered the song in a band one time and we had, I had to go back and listen to it, to go, what the heck are the drums doing?

I just never thought about it. But it's something that's very, and so, you know, our drummer was playing something. I was like, that's not right. Something's wrong about our groove. And we had to go back and listen to it and. And crappy, never does. It never does a backbeat which is just something that you would get.

And for those of y'all that are playing it live. If you're doing a cover, please do their love version, not the studio version because it's a little bit faster. And I like it a little bit faster, a little faster, a little faster. Look at the live in Houston from 81 version. And that's the speed I would like you to do it.

Cause that's the speed. I like it. Let's let's take you out with it. This has been don't stop believing. On the great song podcast. Can't wait to see you again next week. Thanks for thanks for listening wherever you are. I'm Rob I'm. JP. Let's listen to.